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The Stanley Steam Motor Company built a couple of steam powered tanks for the WWI effort. By the time that they were field tested and accepted, the war was over. They never see action. There are plenty of photos and articles about the Stanley tanks available.
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SteamStuff
The water tube boilers do not have the steam reserve that a fire tube Stanley type has. I had a Baker water tube boiler in my 1922 Stanley and when I would pull away from a stop sign with 400 PSI showing on the gauge, the boiler pressure would drop like a rock and I would be entering the fast moving traffic without any more than 100 PSI. More like a death wish. With a fire tube boiler, entering
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SteamStuff
The "much later" condensing Stanleys used the Ashcroft gauges. See attachment. Original gauges for the model of steam car one is working on are quite plentiful so there isn't any reason not to use them except for their higher prices than a brand X gauge. eBay is a good place to look for Stanley gauges. I bought a 1,000 Stanley Ashton steam gauge off of eBay last week for $349. It wa
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SteamStuff
1918 Stanley touring for sale on eBay. Looks like an affordable entry level price tag. See at: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1918-Stanley-Motor-Carriage-Steam-Car-Touring-736-Stanley-Steamer/264494539515?hash=item3d951a62fb:g:buoAAOSwUqVdn38s
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SteamStuff
Rolly, That's a mighty fine gauge. Good job. SSsssteamer
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SteamStuff
I have soldered up bourdon tubes in the past and the gauges no longer leaked, but the soldering threw the gauges out of calibration so bad that I could not calibrate them. That is where a parts gauge donates its vital organs to my cause.
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SSsssteamer
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SteamStuff
I have had to rebuild my gauges as needed. The Ashton silver plated gauge face a chore to refinish, but the gauge innards are easily restored if you have other gauges with the correct parts to use. Never use any metal polish other than a silver polish to clean a gauge face. Brasso and many other metal cleaners will completely remove the silver plating from a salvageable silver plated gauge face
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SteamStuff
Over the last 35 years, we have had up to five running Stanleys at one time. We are down to just three Stanleys now. To keep them up to snuff, we still have a back stock of more than a few Ashton gauges and about another 50 assorted antique gauges with silver faces. No, I am not interested in taking photos of them as they are not for sale, and anyone looking at the firewall area of a Stanley can
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SSsssteamer
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SteamStuff
Most all of our older Stanley Steam cars and White steam cars used the Ashton Valve Co. gauges. The really later condensing Stanleys used the Ashcroft Manufacturing Co. gauges. The book "The Antique American Steam Gauge" by Barry Lee David copyrighted in 2003, does a good job in covering the evolution of the Ashton Valve Co steam gauges. It is in the larger 8 1/2" by 11" f
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SteamStuff
Due to Stanley Museum Quarterly articles being copyrighted, I will not be posting their copyrighted material on the forum.
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SteamStuff
Found the rear axle article. Turns out there were two articles. Found them in the Stanley Museum quarterly Volume XVIII number 1 March 1999, pages 10 and 11. Also in Volume XXIII, Number 4 Fall 2004 pages 20 and 21. Some one should have the Stanley Museum quarterlies in your area. If not, I will try to get to get them copied for you. I am really busy playing catch up and fighting my stomach c
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SteamStuff
Basil,
I am sure that I do have a copy of that particular Stanley museum Newsletter. If someone can tell us which issue it was in, my search would be a lot easier. Presently I am starting a 4 day HCCA tour with our model 85 Stanley. Time to find the article will be scarce until this tour ends on Wednesday night.
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SteamStuff
Years ago there was an article in the Stanley Museum Newsletter on setting up the rear axle of a model 70. It was written by Art Hart and also by a couple of other contributors. I followed their directions in setting up the rear axle of our model 85 I was fabricating, and I ended up with the spacing between the axle ends not being correct (not enough planetary gear clearance). Other than that,
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SSsssteamer
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SteamStuff
Rolly, I bought three type 8 Stanley piston cylinders (Wide frame) and they were machined for the 1 inch frame rods. I bought pistons, slide valves, steam chest covers etc. etc. all in 30 hp. Because of Coburn's poor health, it took over a year for him to finally get them shipped out to our Northwest. When Coburn would call me each week, we discussed each other's health. I sure do miss Coburn
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SteamStuff
Rick, Our 1911 Stanley model 85 7 passenger, 30 HP is old technology that they already had by 1911 and about 50 years of research in it to make it the most advanced form of transportation of its time. By updating in the proper areas, like engine balancing, modern metals, better brake lining, safety glass, better tires, so on and so on, we presently have one of the most advance forms of steam tran
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SteamStuff
Peter, The counterweights that I added to our 30 HP Stanley engine were almost the same size as the counterweights that the engine throws already had on it. I do not know their exact weight. The were crafted by REMPCO in Cadillac, Michigan by Gilbert "Red" Hall. Phone number 1-800-736-0108 If one has a 30 HP Stanley and he is not using these counterweights as of yet, then they have
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SteamStuff
Coburn was a true gentleman. I miss my weekly telephone calls with Coburn. Coburn and I were both early day motorcycle racers and steam car owners living on opposite sides of the country. We both were interested in speed, so we both were definitely into 30 hp Stanleys too. Coburn was always a great help in handling my steam needs that came from the New England area. I purchased many of Coburn
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SteamStuff
I added additional counterweights to our 30 HP Stanley engines' crankshafts. Before the added weights, the Stanley engines started bouncing at about 47 M.P.H. Just minutes ago, I just blew down our 1911 Stanley model 85 7 passenger 30 HP touring after a 25 mile demonstration ride. I was giving some of my classmates (class of 1963) a thrilling ride at 70 MPH and there wasn't a bit of bounce anyw
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SteamStuff
Combustion should be complete before the heat goes through the water tubes. Combustion happening while going through the water tubes will result in sooting up the water tubes, thus insulating the water tubes from the heat. The same applies to the fire tube boilers. On our Stanleys, the flame is adjusted at the burner so that it has a proper blue color with a very small tip of yellow on the top
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SteamStuff
It sure is good to see a good steam project approach completion. Jim Crank was a hard one to get a smile out of. The completion of this project will have him smiling big time. May you now rest in peace Jim.
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SteamStuff
The propane tanks typically frost up when used. The guys with the steam boats often put their propane tanks into their hot wells to keep them warm. Unfortunately, with a full propane tank, the expansion at times blows the tank's safety valve and often a fire results. Personally, for fire safety, I perfer to use kerosene or JP1. A lot safer. The fun starts when the assembly starts and the fun
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SteamStuff
Burt, There are many steam car appraisers that would be willing to help you with you inspection for purchase reason. The thing to do is to find out where the prospective car is located and then find an inspector in that geographic location. I have inspected several located here in the Northwest.
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SteamStuff
Three years ago, I purchased a 1909 Kissel Kar and I had to make all new gears for its transmission. I think that it had had years of use without any lubrication. Anyway, after the gears were cut, I had to heat treat the gears. After heat treating them, I had to check all of the measurements again and I had to machine a couple of gears that seemed to have grown 0.0005" with my normalizat
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SteamStuff
I would use the 80 tooth gear. From 1913 until the end, Stanley used 40 to 60 tooth ratios on their 20 HP engines without any ill effects. Running a dry engine could change the program a little, but not that much. We have cleaner roads today (less grit) and better lubricants today too.
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SteamStuff
On our Stanley wet engines, I have converted my ball bearing cross heads to bronze slipper cross heads. I did this because once the ball bearings get wore in, they are like cannon balls being shot from end to end and eventually they blow their ball bearing stops off and the bearings are left to wander around the crankcase. From there, the loose cross head ball bearings (two from each rod) find t
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SteamStuff
For those that aren't familiar with the Stanley rear axle gear ratio possibilities, the pre 1910 10 hp type 2 Stanley's driving gear's number of teeth plus the driven gear's number teeth usually add up to about 120. Keeping close to the number 120 total, it gives the correct spacing between the crankshaft center and the rear axle center. A variance of plus or minus ten teeth total can usually be
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Rick.H Wrote:
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> Hi Pat,
> Thank you for that information about the 20 Hp and
> Axle. Pretty sure that's a wet engine? I'm
> thinking about it.
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> Thanks again everyone,
> Rick
Wet engine. Crank case wrapper is in place and it is ready to install.
SSsssteamer
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Rolly Wrote:
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> I know of one man used a Boston Gear for the outer
> gear and the three spider gears as well as the two
> axel gears. I have a spear bronze casting to press
> into the ring gear that holes the three spider
> gears.
> Rolly
That is the approach that I used on our 1909 Stanley Model R. I needed the r
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SteamStuff
Rempco, 251 Bell Avenue, Cadillac, Michigan 49601 Telephone 231-775-0108 They have blue prints for and can make most any part for your Stanley that you may need. Their prices are fair, as you get what you pay for. They have been making gears and etc. for Stanleys for many, many years. I have purchase axle gears, crankshaft counter weights, pump drive parts, and more from them.
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SteamStuff
Steam is fun, year round, Steam powered ice sled.
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SteamStuff