cyclone engine
Posted by Harry Schoell
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Re: cyclone engine April 21, 2008 08:48AM |
Registered: 19 years ago Posts: 835 |
Hi Tom,
Pleased that you came to the show. We are doing a lot of experimenting with types of ceramic covers. The engine will start in less than 15 sec from cold with the new covers we are testing we can drop it several seconds and not waste the heat. Thanks for the names.
We had our best show ever and are going to very busy. Had 8 engines on display including the 330 in a truck chassey. There were crowds in our booth and a lot of interest and customers.
Harry
Pleased that you came to the show. We are doing a lot of experimenting with types of ceramic covers. The engine will start in less than 15 sec from cold with the new covers we are testing we can drop it several seconds and not waste the heat. Thanks for the names.
We had our best show ever and are going to very busy. Had 8 engines on display including the 330 in a truck chassey. There were crowds in our booth and a lot of interest and customers.
Harry
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Re: cyclone engine April 21, 2008 09:25AM |
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Re: cyclone engine April 21, 2008 05:07PM |
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Re: cyclone engine April 22, 2008 10:31AM |
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Re: cyclone engine April 23, 2008 09:26AM |
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Hi Tom
Not sure exactly what fiber batt furnace lining types are. What I am curently using is stainless screen wire I form to the shape I wont and then work ceramic furnance past into. The outside is covered with KAOWOOL I origionally intended to run feed water coils around that followed by another layer of KAOWOOL. But so far the one layer of KAOWOOL is holding the heat.
I tried using several fiber types with the furnance cement. But they all failed drop tests. The ceremic layer around my fire box is around 1/8" with 1/2" KAOWOOL.
Andy
Not sure exactly what fiber batt furnace lining types are. What I am curently using is stainless screen wire I form to the shape I wont and then work ceramic furnance past into. The outside is covered with KAOWOOL I origionally intended to run feed water coils around that followed by another layer of KAOWOOL. But so far the one layer of KAOWOOL is holding the heat.
I tried using several fiber types with the furnance cement. But they all failed drop tests. The ceremic layer around my fire box is around 1/8" with 1/2" KAOWOOL.
Andy
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Re: cyclone engine April 23, 2008 09:40AM |
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Hi Andy
Tried the wire and the expansion inside broke the refractory. even had special cements formulated and they did not work properly. We are on it again after leaving it for two years and now think we are on the right track. Of course the pourpose is to gain a few seconds on start up which is very fast now. Less than 15sec from cold.
Harry
Tried the wire and the expansion inside broke the refractory. even had special cements formulated and they did not work properly. We are on it again after leaving it for two years and now think we are on the right track. Of course the pourpose is to gain a few seconds on start up which is very fast now. Less than 15sec from cold.
Harry
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Re: cyclone engine April 23, 2008 01:21PM |
Registered: 19 years ago Posts: 1,268 |
Hello Harry,
Boro-silicate (Pyrex) glass is also made into a woven product. Like the fibre-glass you are familiar with. This might provide strength to the various furnace cements.
A porous ceramic surface is sometimes used in furnaces combustion chambers to increase the radiation to the product being heated. We give credence to the radiative heating aspects in our boiler designs, but that has to be designed around the combustion gas properties. It is found that the clean burning fuels radiate less heat than the sooty ones. This is because the carbon particles or smoke absorb the convective heat and radiate that out as infrared heat. Both water vapor and carbon dioxide are lousy IR radiators compared to carbon particles.
A fast experiment here would be to set an oxy-acetylene welding torch to a clean burning blue flame. Feel the radiated heat from a safe distance. Now turn down the oxygen just a bit so there is a white flame and feel the difference.
I am thinking that either a porous ceramic or high temperature wire screen material in and surrounding your combustion chamber should absorb as much convective heat as it can and radiate it toward the coils.
Be well, ----- Bill G.
Boro-silicate (Pyrex) glass is also made into a woven product. Like the fibre-glass you are familiar with. This might provide strength to the various furnace cements.
A porous ceramic surface is sometimes used in furnaces combustion chambers to increase the radiation to the product being heated. We give credence to the radiative heating aspects in our boiler designs, but that has to be designed around the combustion gas properties. It is found that the clean burning fuels radiate less heat than the sooty ones. This is because the carbon particles or smoke absorb the convective heat and radiate that out as infrared heat. Both water vapor and carbon dioxide are lousy IR radiators compared to carbon particles.
A fast experiment here would be to set an oxy-acetylene welding torch to a clean burning blue flame. Feel the radiated heat from a safe distance. Now turn down the oxygen just a bit so there is a white flame and feel the difference.
I am thinking that either a porous ceramic or high temperature wire screen material in and surrounding your combustion chamber should absorb as much convective heat as it can and radiate it toward the coils.
Be well, ----- Bill G.
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Re: cyclone engine April 23, 2008 05:11PM |
Registered: 17 years ago Posts: 180 |
In 1980 I worked on a project making stainless steel fibers to reinforce castable refractories. This stuff was used to make pouring spouts for cast iron and steel ladles, holding flowing metal at up to 3000F, far more demanding than lining a firebox. They went broke, but others are making similar fibers. This will work better than trying to support your castable refractory with wire mesh.
This site is selling a lot of possible lining materials on Ebay. Speaking as an old steel melter there should be something here that will help a lot of you, and in affordable amounts. BTW, it is not anyone I'm connected to.
[stores.ebay.com]
Tom
This site is selling a lot of possible lining materials on Ebay. Speaking as an old steel melter there should be something here that will help a lot of you, and in affordable amounts. BTW, it is not anyone I'm connected to.
[stores.ebay.com]
Tom
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Re: cyclone engine April 23, 2008 05:13PM |
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Re: cyclone engine April 24, 2008 09:30AM |
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Thanks Tom.
I have ordered from them before. Have been considering using some of the ITC products. They are resionable on them as well.
Herry, I have not had the cracking problem using stainless wire mesh. I use a thick covering on the fire side. The wire is more a backing to hold the shape. I also have other fibers in the fire side.
Andy
I have ordered from them before. Have been considering using some of the ITC products. They are resionable on them as well.
Herry, I have not had the cracking problem using stainless wire mesh. I use a thick covering on the fire side. The wire is more a backing to hold the shape. I also have other fibers in the fire side.
Andy
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Re: cyclone engine May 09, 2008 03:04PM |
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Re: cyclone engine June 05, 2008 07:15AM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 1 |
Hi Harry,
Enjoyed reading about Cyclone Power in Popular Science and also the video - very impressive!
[www.popsci.com]
Any chance we might see a Cyclone powered car win the Progressive Auto X PRIZE?
[www.progressiveautox.org]
Payo
Enjoyed reading about Cyclone Power in Popular Science and also the video - very impressive!
[www.popsci.com]
Any chance we might see a Cyclone powered car win the Progressive Auto X PRIZE?
[www.progressiveautox.org]
Payo
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Re: cyclone engine June 05, 2008 08:31AM |
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Hi Payo
sounds like fun and can be done only takes time and money. We are getting so busy I am getting pulled in many directions at once.
sounds like fun and can be done only takes time and money. We are getting so busy I am getting pulled in many directions at once.
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Re: cyclone engine June 16, 2008 09:16AM |
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Re: cyclone engine June 16, 2008 09:54AM |
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Re: cyclone engine June 16, 2008 10:35AM |
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Re: cyclone engine July 07, 2008 04:46PM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 83 |
I Harry!
Left a message with Mr. McQueen but just in case it didn't make it to you,through the maze, I'll leave it here also. It sounded like the proverbial zoo at Cyclone when I called this AM. LOL! Anyway... There is a company that makes a breed of little known water based lubricants called polywater. When I was at the phone company we used them for making underground and fiber optic cables slide through the ducts easier. I believe that if the water lubrication in the WHE is presently good, this stuff could lubricate 10 times better, from my experience with it. The company's name is American Polywater Corp., and they have a website on the internet. The polywater we used was so slippery you couldn't stand any more if you spilled it in the manhole. When the container is open it will evaporate at the same rate as water. My thinking is that you might be able to increase compression with added lubrication and thus increase efficiency of the WHE. I don't have any idea if this could be used with the other engines but you may be able to figure something out with the Polywater engineers. According to the website there is no flashpoint so who knows! It has the viscosity of about 20 weight oil but has no petroleum in it. Got my fingers crossed that soon the big manufacturers come to their senses and get on the Cyclone band wagon! Take care Harry & than good luck to you!
Left a message with Mr. McQueen but just in case it didn't make it to you,through the maze, I'll leave it here also. It sounded like the proverbial zoo at Cyclone when I called this AM. LOL! Anyway... There is a company that makes a breed of little known water based lubricants called polywater. When I was at the phone company we used them for making underground and fiber optic cables slide through the ducts easier. I believe that if the water lubrication in the WHE is presently good, this stuff could lubricate 10 times better, from my experience with it. The company's name is American Polywater Corp., and they have a website on the internet. The polywater we used was so slippery you couldn't stand any more if you spilled it in the manhole. When the container is open it will evaporate at the same rate as water. My thinking is that you might be able to increase compression with added lubrication and thus increase efficiency of the WHE. I don't have any idea if this could be used with the other engines but you may be able to figure something out with the Polywater engineers. According to the website there is no flashpoint so who knows! It has the viscosity of about 20 weight oil but has no petroleum in it. Got my fingers crossed that soon the big manufacturers come to their senses and get on the Cyclone band wagon! Take care Harry & than good luck to you!
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Re: cyclone engine July 09, 2008 05:38PM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 83 |
Hi again Harry!
I have a thought about the 15 minute warmup. How about running on compressed air for the first few seconds. Have a small onboard compressor and air tank that would recharge while the cyclone is running and would be the fuel until the cyclone is warmed up. This would be a simple fix for automobile applications. Heck you could even include an air hose for flat tires! LOL! Later!
I have a thought about the 15 minute warmup. How about running on compressed air for the first few seconds. Have a small onboard compressor and air tank that would recharge while the cyclone is running and would be the fuel until the cyclone is warmed up. This would be a simple fix for automobile applications. Heck you could even include an air hose for flat tires! LOL! Later!
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Re: cyclone engine July 09, 2008 05:46PM |
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Re: cyclone engine July 10, 2008 04:29PM |
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Re: cyclone engine July 10, 2008 06:43PM |
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Re: cyclone engine July 11, 2008 09:05PM |
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Harry,
I am wondering if you have tried to burn Algea directly yet?
It seems to me that doing so would side step a lot of processing issues. It would however create a host of new problems, such as pelletizing it, grinding and pumping it into the burner, or whatever process one used to burn/transport it.
I seem to recall that the "injector" you developed for the burner could be used with gas, liquid fuel and solid(flour I believe). Also that your pump could handle liquid and flour. That must have taken a lot of trial and error or a few brilliant ideas to begin with!
Best of luck with the Cyclone.
Caleb Ramsby
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2008 11:55PM by Caleb Ramsby.
I am wondering if you have tried to burn Algea directly yet?
It seems to me that doing so would side step a lot of processing issues. It would however create a host of new problems, such as pelletizing it, grinding and pumping it into the burner, or whatever process one used to burn/transport it.
I seem to recall that the "injector" you developed for the burner could be used with gas, liquid fuel and solid(flour I believe). Also that your pump could handle liquid and flour. That must have taken a lot of trial and error or a few brilliant ideas to begin with!
Best of luck with the Cyclone.
Caleb Ramsby
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2008 11:55PM by Caleb Ramsby.
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Re: cyclone engine July 11, 2008 11:40PM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 83 |
Hi Harry!
Some of my friends are investested in an algae oil company called OriginOil. So I did a little snooping around their website and found they may have a very exciting process for increased production of algae oil. They have applied for 4 patents I think. Was good reading for me with my new found environmental awareness! LOL! Hope it works like they say. You could almost dump it straight into the Green Revolution engine or WHE for that matter. Later! Have a great weekend!
Some of my friends are investested in an algae oil company called OriginOil. So I did a little snooping around their website and found they may have a very exciting process for increased production of algae oil. They have applied for 4 patents I think. Was good reading for me with my new found environmental awareness! LOL! Hope it works like they say. You could almost dump it straight into the Green Revolution engine or WHE for that matter. Later! Have a great weekend!
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Re: cyclone engine July 13, 2008 06:26PM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 83 |
Harry... I have a quick question... Does the burning chamber, in theory, have to be perfectly round? Could it possibly still work efficiently if it was egg shaped or an oval configuration. Some of the new tech hybrids may want to fit the engine in awkward places and may need some fudge room. Thanks again!
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Re: cyclone engine July 14, 2008 10:44AM |
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Hi G
A hybrid is not necessary when using a cyclone. It does not need to idle and you do not need a transmission. stop and going driving is not the same as in an IC engine. they have to go through several power bands and the efficency is very low in near the idle range. This is the reason for a hybrid to get the engine to opperate at its best efficency. To get this you now have an engine, a dynamo, an electric motor and a large heavy battery pack that will have to be replaced. A more expensive car with road millage no better than with out the complication. The cyclone is direct rpm to speed. A very simple less costly cleaner answer. The space and weight required is of course less than all this extra machinery.
Harry
A hybrid is not necessary when using a cyclone. It does not need to idle and you do not need a transmission. stop and going driving is not the same as in an IC engine. they have to go through several power bands and the efficency is very low in near the idle range. This is the reason for a hybrid to get the engine to opperate at its best efficency. To get this you now have an engine, a dynamo, an electric motor and a large heavy battery pack that will have to be replaced. A more expensive car with road millage no better than with out the complication. The cyclone is direct rpm to speed. A very simple less costly cleaner answer. The space and weight required is of course less than all this extra machinery.
Harry
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Re: cyclone engine July 14, 2008 03:33PM |
Registered: 16 years ago Posts: 83 |
Hi Harry!
Thanks for the reply. Once again I should have explained myself better. There are a couple companies out there, that are thinking way out of the box,like you, and unlike Detroit car makers who are shooting for 50MPG. Aptera is one that I really like and they are shooting for 300MPG in their hybrid 2 seat, 3 wheeler. They are looking for a small efficient generator to improve the range to unlimited.They are testing a small diesel right now, but in my mind the Cyclone would be a better fit and less stinky! LOL There are some videos out on the internet showing the electric prototype. Thanks again Harry, Your invention is making me young again! LOL! Hope this works. Going to try and paste one of the videos! Later!
www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4237853.html
Thanks for the reply. Once again I should have explained myself better. There are a couple companies out there, that are thinking way out of the box,like you, and unlike Detroit car makers who are shooting for 50MPG. Aptera is one that I really like and they are shooting for 300MPG in their hybrid 2 seat, 3 wheeler. They are looking for a small efficient generator to improve the range to unlimited.They are testing a small diesel right now, but in my mind the Cyclone would be a better fit and less stinky! LOL There are some videos out on the internet showing the electric prototype. Thanks again Harry, Your invention is making me young again! LOL! Hope this works. Going to try and paste one of the videos! Later!
www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4237853.html
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Re: cyclone engine July 14, 2008 05:19PM |
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Re: cyclone engine July 15, 2008 08:16AM |
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Hi G
The point of this is not to build a moped or power something with a rubberband. These things things are not practical. With our engine Detroit can still build SUV's again as this is what people want. They can lower costs and and have a clean engine with less maintanance and make a profit again. Trucks won't run on batterys and we have to move goods up the highway so what else is there that is clean and burn cheeper fuels. What else else can power boats or trains for the same reasons. These toy cars are what they are TOYS.
Thanks for your support you are greatly appreciated
Harry
The point of this is not to build a moped or power something with a rubberband. These things things are not practical. With our engine Detroit can still build SUV's again as this is what people want. They can lower costs and and have a clean engine with less maintanance and make a profit again. Trucks won't run on batterys and we have to move goods up the highway so what else is there that is clean and burn cheeper fuels. What else else can power boats or trains for the same reasons. These toy cars are what they are TOYS.
Thanks for your support you are greatly appreciated
Harry
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