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holt norway

I am enjoying these ancient creations although with hindsight we can see a few faults!
I assume the Holt's two engines drove the wheels independantly with no rotating axle between, which must have risked some very strange effects on the steering. The grip of the two driving rollers on the pneumatic tyres would mean much business for the retread trade.

Funny that the control system was made to mimic the controls on a horse.

Mike



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2022 02:44PM by Mike Clark.

Amazingly, two engines used in order to eliminate the differential was not a one-time idea. The very first Coats steam car was designed that way. Incredibly, there were TWO Gearless steam cars under development at the circa that employed the concept, one in Denver and the other in Philadelphia. The Colorado people do not appear to have actually built a car. It's unclear how many the eastern outfit produced -- something like 6 or 7 cars were photographed, but that doesn't actually mean that there as a steam plant under the hood. That might sound a bit cynical, but some corporate officers did go to prison for stock fraud. The president, Malcolm MacDonald was one of these; he later tried to sell the MacDonald Bobcat steam car. I found a small article in an LA newspaper referring to MacDonald working on yet another steamer, but it doesn't appear to have spread beyond that one media outlet. Jim Crank told me that Abner Doble spent one of his customer's money without actually delivering a car and offered to give him an even better car, with two engines, if he'd just pony up more money. The customer was apparently too smart for that one. There were a few others, both in the 1900s and in the 60s. There were also cars built with a central hydraulic pump and motors in each wheel. I can see the idea operating in modern cars, what with the use of microprocessors and efficient sensors -- stability and traction controls effectively do what you would need to control each separate wheel. I know some of these cars contemplated a control valve on the steering wheel to throttle the separate wheels, but I don't see that working.

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In the 1950's I had a 12 foot mahogany, clinker built motor boat from the 1930's, powered by a two cylinder horizontally opposed Coventry Victor 4 stroke engine. It had a very similar reversing propellor to that in the clipping.
Not living near water I eventually had to choose betwen boats and old cars, the cars won. But I wish I still had it!

Mike

The first marine gas and diesel engines only turned in one direction.
The Kitchen rudder is the familiar name for "Kitchen's Patent Reversing Rudders",
It is held under British Provisional Patent No. 3249/1914

It was like a clam shell rudder that would close over the propeller forcing the thrust in the reverse direction.

Rolly

I first ran into the Kitchen rudder in Weston Farmer's "My Old Boat Shop". I rather like the Foster propeller because it reminds me of the variable pitch screws on Navy frigates, destroyers, and cruisers.

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Ken I have that book also "From My Old Boat Shop” I learned how to make a Gas Producer from coal. Wolverine Marine Gas Producer. Also other’s
Like Howard Chapelle and Philip Bolger and Gilbert Klinger and others.

Rolly

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Article Part One

Ken,
I have a copy of Jay W. Carter, Jr., Jay Carter Enterprises, Inc., SAE paper # 750071. It is titled: The Cater System- A New Approach for a Steam Powered Automobile. If you can send me your address VIA private message, I will send it to you for your thread. Dan

Article, Part Deux

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