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Posted by jjtjr 
steam cylinder oil
December 29, 2019 10:24AM
been looking at cylinder oil, what would be the best choice for cylinder oil. superheated steam around 400 to 500 degs. at 250 psi ?
iso 460 or 680. looking at this web site [avepetroleum.com] not sure which one.
Re: steam cylinder oil
December 29, 2019 12:47PM
I have both 460 and 680 steam cylinder oil. Generally the 680 is better for higher temps.
Re: steam cylinder oil
December 29, 2019 04:02PM
how well does it work in a displacement lubricator
Re: steam cylinder oil
December 30, 2019 10:13AM
Use an ISO 460 oil
I use Mobil 1 Synthetic gear oil # 634

Rolly
Re: steam cylinder oil
December 30, 2019 10:25AM
I have to wonder whether you should look at specialty oil for steam locomotives, which are optimized for the conditions you mention. Here is a discussion about some of the 'desiderata' for steam cylinder oil, by Bill Petitjean who manufactured the 'Green Velvet' line of products.

[www.southernsteamtrains.com]

General consensus is that 680 is what you would want, but be sure the formulation is 'steam-appropriate'

Bill shut down production of his products a couple of years ago, but some are contract manufactured for Chris Brennan's company (Brennan Oil) in Durango, Colorado. They are apparently in the specialty-oil business for drillers, and so were set up to sell products outside the normal range of the service stations they also operate. They are supposed to be the preferred 'source' going forward. I have a request for current information 'in' to them, but you can reach them by mail at

PO box 1068, Durango CO 81302

or by phone at

(970) 247-3054
Re: steam cylinder oil
December 31, 2019 09:58AM
Yes. Green velvet is what I use and swear by it.

Sapon 680 for superheat for non condensing only.

Condensing systems must use nonsoluble gear oils like the PBJ and Mobil types.

Ron
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 02, 2020 02:42PM
I have just confirmed (Jan 2 at 2:30pm) that Brennan can and will provide the range of Green Velvet cylinder oil.

Specific contact names for inquiries (to 970-247-3054) are Colton and Michelle.

They currently have no plans to resume production of the greases. Perhaps if this group can coordinate sufficient demand with some of the railway preservation groups, we might convince them either to resume limited production or provide the detailed formulation for them.
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 03, 2020 06:52AM
Rolly
I need some advice from you. With my oil burner in my car, Its a 12 volt wayne burner. The problem i am having is it smokes too much. I tried adjusting the air baffle but doesn't seem to make a big difference . The nozzle is a 2 gph 80 degs and the pressure is 140 psi. The fire box is 12" wide 12" deep and 6 " high do you have any recommendations to correct this problem. Thanks jim t
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 03, 2020 09:40AM
Jim there is a formula for combustion size for burning atomized oil. I can’t remember it and am not quite sure where I have it at home. Go to a good oil burner supply house and they can help you. It may just be the type of nozzle and spray pattern your using.
Rolly
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 06, 2020 07:00AM
Rolly, this what i found about the oil burner, the nozzle specs are measured at 100 psi and said that a 2.0 gph nozzle running at pump pressure of 140 psi will deliver 2.5 gph of oil. My fire box is a bit smaller then is required but i cant change that. What i did was to reduce the pump pressure to 100 psi which brings the nozzle into spec which seems to have reduce the smoke to very little, time will tell now. Thanks jim t
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 06, 2020 09:17AM
Jim the other thing that can affect the smoke is how tight the gas pass space it up through the boiler/generator.
When I built ma Derr boiler I calculated the gas pass space as laminator flow but built it as turbulent flow, same gas pass space but harder and longer passage space. I calculated it for six gal per hour
Smoked terrible and caused combustion chamber explosions. I built a two stage burner and started it on two gal per Hour nozzle, when the pressure reached 100 psi and the boiler was hot I switched over to the second nozzle adding the other four gal for a six gal burn. That worked.
1000 psi was not good for the car and I had to drop back to 600 psi and four gal per hour.
Rolly
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 06, 2020 11:46AM
Jim I through of something, most pumps will go to 300 psi. smaller nozzle higher pressure.
Also check with the oil burner guy you talked to about the best spray pattern for your combustion chamber. Short and wide, long and narrow or whatever.
Rolly
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 09, 2020 07:24AM
Rolly,
I called wayne burner company and spoke to tech service and gave them the chamber size. He said I should use a solid cone nozzle 90 deg 2.0 or 1.75 gph and adjust the pump pressure from 100 to 120 psi and watch for smoke when it starts to smoke reduce the pressure until it stops. Also the front of the burner gun should not be in the combustion chamber but back about 1/2". Going to try these changes and will update on the findings.
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 09, 2020 04:24PM
An oil burner takes liquid fuel oil and put it through a fine nozzle and brakes it up into small droplets. The higher the pressure the more droplets and smaller in size and the cleaner burn.

I would start at 200 psi if your pump will go that high some pumps are rated 175 psi and most go to 300 psi. if your pump is rated 300 psi I would go to 250 psi with a smaller nozzle that would give you the 2 gal per hr. then drop back to 1.75 gal per hr if it still smokes. Most home oil burner combustion chambers have ceramic liners that stay red hot between on and off cycles. Do you know if your combustion chamber has a ceramic liner?
Rolly
Re: steam cylinder oil
January 10, 2020 06:30PM
No the chamber is not just insulation.
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