Hey-Everyone!!

We're getting the ball rolling on the Land Steam Record-the website went up today, and it's looking good! We're gonna take back the record from the Brits!!

The streamliner design is complete, and the steel for the frame is ordered...we should be underway with the build in a few days. We've got a great team behind us-including several people that you all know-so it's going to be a fun project!

Harry and his Cyclone Team are coming along well with the testing and development of the Mark 5 radial engine that we're going to use--we're hoping to have the vehicle ready for trials and testing by next summer, but-of course-there is a long way to go...we'll get there when we get there!

Check out the new(6/12)site: [www.steamspeedamerica.com]

Cheers---Chuk



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2012 07:13AM by chuk williams.

Hi Chuk,

"on the spot"
As I have mentioned before, I would like to support such an effort. I visited the site, and if I could have used my credit card "on the spot" Id like to spend $100.00 to be a Flag supporter...

If there are some details about how to do this with a shopping cart or whatever, let me know, technically this would be an impulse buy, although I think I could still feel good about it in the morning .... I just spent 50 bucks on an animation program/software today, I fixed the problem and I was able to work with the application immedietly(sp?) but thats my point, such an effort should be able to handle an marketing campiane(sp?), and get a bunch of supporters like the other fundraising events do. [the spelling errors are because im on my wife's laptop, my spell-checker is not installed on this computer]


Best


Jeremy

Jeremy-

Hey--Thanks for the support!! I have an LLC formed to handle donations, but the IRS is a bit slow in getting my tax number
to me...therefore I don't have an account set up yet to handle things. I'm sure if you feel like supporting us now---you'll still feel the same way in a few days--eh?? Alternatively--if you want to send me a check immediately--I'll deposit it when the account is up and running in a few days.
Email me privately and we'll deal with it.

Thanks Again!!


Chuk

Hi Chuk,

This is great news!

Out of planning and into the action phase.

Scott

-edit- deleted double post-

best

Jeremy



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/2009 01:55PM by Jeremy Holmes.

When are you going to have PAYPAL on your website?

Everyone--

Hey--Thanks for all the enthusiasm!! With some work and a bit of luck--we'll bring the Land Steam Record back where it belongs--in the US!! The website will have a Paypal link as soon as we can get it activated-and you'll be able to use your debit or credit card there. We have a Paypal account already--under the name US Steam Speed LLC, so if you want to contribute now, and have a Paypal account-you can do so at PayPal.com.


Cheers---Chuk

Great.

I was looking at your website and had a question. Since the car is going for a straight line speed record, why is the front bumper area so flat and not pointed?

Doug-Ji;

Aerodynamically speaking, a teardrop shaped vehicle has less drag than a pointed nose vehicle. In this instance, it's not practical to have a teardrop shape, so the nose of the vehicle is a compromise between the least drag and what is possible. The model that is pictured on the site only a close approximation of what the finished vehicle will be like anyway, so don't pay too much attention to the details of the website photo...as we progress with the build of the streamliner, we'll be putting more photos up on the site-and they'll more accurately reflect the real machine.



Chuk

Hi Chuk,

I emailed you the other day, did you receive it?

I noticed that you are an independant enitity, as the current "US LSR ATTEMPT" and I sincerely hope this is not a publicity stunt for Cyclone...

Look Chuk, I have been working on 2 steam cars, gvw is 4000lbs for one, the other is right at 2500lbs gvw. The lighter of the two is based on an 959 Porsche , with Mid-Engine, both steam car designs have V8 cyl engines over 500 cu in displacment.

Bear in mind if you fail, other AMERICAN TEAMS will emerge ...

[www.ntu-mc.com]

I agree that the Brits Streamliner could make it to 400mph, it has the aerodynamics for it, if it had enough power to do so. One of our consultants is FUELING. Were in a holding pattern.

Jeremy



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2009 09:42PM by Jeremy Holmes.

Hi Jeremy,

Yes, of _course_ Cyclone publicity is involved. No point being naive about it. I ain't the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but even I picked up on that.

That being said, best of luck, Chuk! Hit the salt, and get that record!

And go get 'em, Harry! Hope the water/solid lube holds for a speed run! A publicity coup for a commercial _steam_ venture is a _good_ thing!

There is a lot of steam stuff going on under the radar out there. Including steam land speed records. No names mentioned by Mr. Confidentiality here, of course. I won't even mention my own "B833" concept. Oops.

Best wishes to all the hard-working "lurkers" on this Board who I know, and to those I don't know. A bit of competition, including over steam "stunts" like land speed records, is just the thing to get steam on the roads of the future.

Everybody, do your best!

Peter



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2009 03:45AM by Peter Brow.

Hi Peter,

good reply by the way.

Here's why im feeling the way that I am about all this.

For far too long, thru the eyes of the world, we are viewed as a bunch of pompous ass americans.

When Harry make's a crack on his site, like- "The British LSR Team's LSR record is not official" It does not help things much... The Brit's deserve more repect than that. Also it is a conflict with the mention of "Its Official" displayed here on the SACA home page.

Look, these guys did not go as far as they did to throw in the towel, im sure as they secure additional funding, they will be back, the information that I have says there going to shoot for 272mph next try, It very possible that there onboard data recorders, gatherer unuff data, to allow them to run simulations, directing there next set of modifications.

That being said, if the US-LSR effort could face some head to head competion on the flats. The Brits have more experience... The only way I see Chuk making the 1 year deadline he's established, is by buying an already made streamliner, the retro fitting it with the Cyclone powerplant.

Anyhow im going back to my StarTrek, im watching "The Year Of Hell" from the startrek Voyager series.

"I'll be back home intime for Corn Flakes"

Jeremy..

Chuck

Go Chuck go! I am with you down the road! I have a little bit of money, a lot of time and my transient code is up and running. Give me your aerodynamics, gear ratio and engine torque characteristics and I will give back time, speed and distance. Good luck!

Jerry

Peter
I am surprised at your negitivity I did not knock the Brits or clame that there record was not ligitimate. I also did knock you for using oil in your engine. We have been testing our water lubed engines for over 5 years now. O:ur dyno runs have put us over 30% total efficency and no wear shown. We did not jump our and make clames that we could not back up we ran our water lubed mk 2 engine for almost a year on dyno tests and we will do more testing on the othe 5 engine projects we are working on.
The door is always open to all SACA members to see for yourself. Jeremy has visited us several and we enjoy his visits. Of course there are large advancement on each visit. Just because water lube has not been done commercialy only means it was not persuided. It is a lot of hard work and testing over and over till you get it right. Also I started this my own money and we are signing up cliants. We are very pleased to be assoated with Chuk. He is a doer .
Good Luck to all
Harry

Hi Harry,

What I was reffering to is-

"the current land speed record, for steam vehicles, which is still subject to official confirmation by the federation by the internationale d'automobile, is held by team inspiration fo great britain."

[www.cyclonepower.com]

Yes your door is always open, I didnt mean to get Peter cought up in this. I dont think he was being negative. My door is always open as well, you and Chuk sould consider a visit to my place sometime, be nice to see all the florida members get togther... You and Chuk have your work cut out for you.


Jeremy

Thanks for the invation Jeremy
Did not meant be so sensitive but you should see the people working on these projects .....they get real sensitive .... its their babys. We are running anouther new engine today on steam and it is neat and fun.
Harry

Hi Harry,

That was Jeremy, not me, who brought up the comments on the British record.

I think that you & Chuk can beat the standing steam land speed record, and I hope you do. It only takes a few minutes of flat-out running.

The only thing I was negative about was the idea, mentioned by Andy in another thread, that water lube can work in _any_ steam powerplant. I don't think that water lube will work with superheated steam, and I am far from alone in that view. As I understand it, you are not combining water lube with superheated steam, so that doesn't apply to you.

You have made negative comments about oil in steam powerplants causing carbon and other problems. That is fine with me; quite correct, there are oil-related problems in some steam systems, sometimes very serious problems, and I can see why you would like to avoid oil in yours.

The most negative I got was saying (in the "Sam -- Don't Play That Again" thread) that I don't see how a high-efficiency, high-expansion, high-powered steam engine can run [over a long service life] with water lubrication in the cylinders. Read a little more carefully, this is a candid statement of my own ignorance, not a statement that "it can't be done".

Jim Crank fully supports your project, and he said he wants to see 100 hours of full-load testing. My durability criteria are actually much less demanding; I would be satisfied to see some serious Cyclone road miles in a car. In a car, the engine virtually never runs at full load. In fact, most of the time it runs at a small fraction of full load. That is why IC cars run at a fraction of their optimum efficiency, typically half, and why carmakers are trying those impractically-costly IC/electric hybrids. Most production IC car engines couldn't survive 100 hours running at full load.

Overall, I admire your guts, hard work, innovative thinking, and goals. At the same time, engines, especially car engines, are a tough R&D job, and extraordinary claims do require extraordinary proof. Optimism and support have to be tempered with reasonable and practical evaluations.

I am a lot tougher on my own design ideas. That's why I am still working my way away from the drawing board, rather than building. You and everybody else get off very easy in my book, compared to the criticism I level on my own ideas. Jeremy is always saying I am too hard on myself.

Don't let negativity from others bug you. Find any problems, and fix them. Everybody who tries to do anything, especially anything unusual, faces criticism, negativity, skepticism, and "wait and see" reactions. Heaven knows I've had to deal with a dumptruck load over the years; you don't see me quitting. Maybe "venting" now and then. I'd be willing to bet that everybody here has run into the same stuff.

You were very generous with suggestions for IC conversion and other projects, instead of my "Stanleyoid" engine, when we met at the 2005 meet. To return the favor, if I were in your shoes, I'd inject Mobil SHC634 into the Cyclone's cylinders, and run the condensate through a centrifuge to separate it into absolutely pure water and absolutely pure oil. Peter Barrett and others have done this very successfully. I think this would save tons of time, money, and headaches on R&D into fundamental tribology, and get you to extended load-testing much sooner.

You could then add some superheat and get even better efficiency than you are seeing now.

Don't let "oil [etc] is old fashioned" thinking get in your way. I don't like this "modern versus antique" stuff, or the long-standing split between "antique guys" and "modern guys". I also hate getting lumped into either "camp". If we want to get real steam cars on the road, the criteria should be "use what works", not "all old" or "all new". I am designing a mix of "high tech" and "low tech" myself. I like the expression "appropriate technology".

My comments here are offered in the spirit of constructive criticism, not negativity. I am a steam car enthusiast, and have no time for grudges, Club or other politics, internet flaming, enmity, psychodrama, or other nonsense. My interest is "seeing more steam cars on the road". There is too much design, build, and testing work to do, on all sorts of different steam car ideas, to waste time on negative nonsense.

Peter

Thanks for your thoughful comments Peter
We are all trying to reach goals and some there are misunderstandings through suggestions I sure do not want to rain on anybodys parade.

I must say however the water lubracation has been working quite well and has not been a problem for several years. We are super heated and did get over 30% efficencys. Looking for more on the MK 5. This is for the total plant not just the engine. There is no inlet cooling occouring through the water lube.
Harry

Hi All,

Peter,

There have been some of your posts that have confused me. I remember one, about you saying "dont talk about water lubrication etc" You need to understand something, an invention is generally the some of its parts.

For example, my invention uses a water cooling mechanism(secondary temp control unit), thats basically water cooled wire. High amp spotwelders use something simular, just because my invention uses water-cooled wire, what standing do I have, to say "OK" there can be no more spot welders because a part of my overall invention uses water cooled wire.

Its the same with Harrys water lubricated bearings. Obviously thats not the whole invention. Uknow, as OEM's or patent holders were not trying, to stiful other in_ventions.

best

Jeremy

Hi All

From the pressure and temperature Harry gave a while back I can say he is running super heated steam. As I posted a few years ago. At super critical pressure you do have a liquid and gas state. It has to do with compressability. Also from new theory on phase change, that there is a reversal in slop of some property of the substance. I found that the (specific volume change per degree temperature)'s slop does reverse at the phase change point below and above the critical pressure.

In this phase change analysis chart 3 clearly shows a reversal in slop of the specific volume per degree F. Looking at that chart you can clearly see that is true both below and above the critical pressure. I wrote a function to find that point and it returns the exact same saturation pressure and temperature as the IFC-67 formulations. Onle it doesn't stop working above the critical pressure. If you look at chart 4 you can clearly see the change in isentropic compressibilty at the saturation point. Chart 5 is the same on a log scale. I don't think SC pressure would eliminate the carbon deposit problem. It probably would spread the deposits out though.

Harry, Has your steam state changed?.Are you are still claiming SC to always be a liquid.

Andy

Hi Harry,

The Phorum seems to like cutting off my longer posts, so I will keep this short. Whether or not I understand how, or "believe" (yet?), your tech goals are worthy, and I still wish you the best and would be very pleased to see you succeed.

Hi Jeremy,

I "kind of" retracted/restated the "forget about it" with water lubing superheated steam cylinders. I don't see how it can be done, so I wouldn't try it myself at this point, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be done by some means currently unknown to me. If somebody put a gun to my head and said "advise or else!", I'd say forget water lube. But there's no gun to my head, and really it's none of my beeswax. I never thought anybody was trying to stifle anybody else's inventions, and agree that a steam powerplant is the sum of its parts ... perhaps more Then again, if one of the parts doesn't work, the whole thing won't either.

I would be pleased to find that this is not the case with the ideas discussed here.

Peter

Hi Andy
What I have always claimed about SC is not that it is liquid but a fluid. What is occouring is the water is expanding and the boubles are compressing to the point of infinity. As in ice. Releasing in a cylinder is a rapid expansion as poping the cap on your radator. may be that is an over simplafying as you are much more technical than that . some times simple is good. When running an engine there is no big phase change as going through the sound barrier or something. In fact even up to 5000 psi there is nouthing except an increase in power if there is enough super heat. The main pourpose is to eleminate nucleite boiling for better heat transfer . There is a far less chance of tube burnout and nearly a 90% heatexchanger efficency. The reduction in the size of the overall machine. The mark 5- 100hp calc. engine iscomplete with all heat exchangers ,blowers,and condencer and pumps is only 336 pounds and all in one unit except a small water gauge tank and make up pump. Basic engine efficency is not increased but the overall plant efficency and power output is.
The engine Chuk will be using is even smaller, however it is a standard MK 5 but with more heat exchange capacity and for compactness mostly non condencing because of increased power output.
Harry

Hi All,

Im proud to be part of this group...

The answers and discussions are quite intelligent.

Peter, its more of the general reputation of patent holders and OEM's to be honest. As part of the next generation of developers of compact steam power plants, we strive to be "good guys".

I think Harry is doing a fine job to establish that level of excellence. As OEM's its harder for us since the last generation failed to bring such technologys to the market place. Its a delicate balence of providing a complete product, and sharing as much technical data as possible, and basically the patents themselves do provide such a structure.

Unless you have firsthand experience with such things, its hard to visulize what is actually happening on the "inside" of such development. Then there are timetables that are mandated by the USPTO, Such as when the clock starts to tick related to the one year deadline rule".

That being said, its really quite amazing that clubs such as this one actually exist, so more insight is provided thru such things.

As an OEM you want to make sure your customers are successful, in the same turn you want to do as much as you can to advance technology. Ive looked at Harrys patents, they are more complex than mine, so I cannot speak for him, Without forums such as this It would be hard to see, the standards and intergity that he is maintaining....

really looking forward to the shrimping season this winter

Best to all

Jeremy

Good discussion.

Chuk, you can write me anytime if I can be of help. To check my technical skills look at petersen.bz for a short overview.

Usually I feel pretty safe in making this offer, since it has been taken up zero times. This probably means I am not helpful or no one knows what to ask.

All the best,

Karl Petersen

HI Peter
There are a number of specialty lubricant companies out there, that have developed high temperature water based lubricants for use in aircraft parts metal drilling applications, where drilling thru titanium eats the drillbits because of the tremendous heat buildup... From what I've read the lubricants can be mixed with water. I was wondering if it would be worth calling engineers from these companies and ask if they could come up with a new age steam oil that could mix with water/steam, and work in a system like Harry's, or traditional systems like others are building. My grandmother always said, ask and ye shall recieve! LOL! Two companies that I looked at a little bit, were Dylon Industries and Condat. Also I think Henkle Loctite dabbles in water based lubes.
Take care.. Ernie

Hi Harry

Sorry I was wrong you didn't say it was a liquid. It's more the way you said it on your web site that made it sound like you ment it was liquid.. The common person thinks fluid means liquid. I havn't been to your site in a while.

Claming it is a fluid is correct. But that can be said of any boiler. Steam is a fluid. Sand can be a fluid is some cases.

SC avoides any boiling as there is no two phase flow.

Andy

You can call it what ever you want but if you have repaired as many engines as I have you would never believe or run a receipting steam engine with out oil.
Lots of steam boaters run saturated with no oil, and they get away with it for five or six years, but then they pay the price. I have seen D valves worn into the cylinder block 16 to 20 thousands, cylinder bores look like the inside of footballs.
Each to there own. I will believe Jim is on board when he fills his lubricator on his Doble with water and goes for a 5,000 mile run.
I no of no Steam car guys that would ever run with out oil.
Rolly

Rolly,

Not a chance!!! However, that car was designed in 1923 and it needed oil. Even then, most Doble E cylinders do look like footballs.
Today, I think we can do better and a long dyno run will put paid to discussion about Harry not using oil.

Jim

Hi All,

I use oil for my stuff, but then I try to keep things at around 500*f.

As Harry has mentioned, his door is open to SACA members. Ive been to Harrys place twice. He is doing somethings with advanced materials. Ive seen the custom made silicon nitride roller bearings. This is a spin-off of Space Shuttle O2 turbopump bearings, although the former application is cryogenic.

I have studied oil-wedge and viscosity, and ironically on my site, I do list a non-acidic steam cylinder oil.

I have experimented with some water lube applications before, what I was doing did infact work.

As far as the water-based lubricants go, I dont think they can be used in Harry's system, since these will change/alter boiling-point. It has to be de-ionized water. I am very familiar with the water based oils, I use one made by a company called Fuchs. The interesting thing about the stuff, is you can pour the concentrate in a cup, let it sit in the shop for about a week, and as dust settles on the surface, it commences a nuclating reaction, and a week latter theres sluge in the bottom, and 97% crystal clear water.

I have to preserve technical edge for Harry's company and customers, so Im going to site an open source example.
In Gatlingburg TN, there is a "Ripleys believe it or not" exibit. A 6 foot diameter granite ball, with a highly polished surface mates with another surface, that is also highly polished, one can walk up to this thing and cause it to spin with little or no effort using your hand, it glides on a water bearing. The 6 foot diameter ball weighs several tonn's. The "water wedge" it uses is no thicker than one 10,000ants of an inch...

The only qualm that I have, is Id like to see a larger displament engine than the MARK 5 on the LSR car, to do what needs to be done in my "opinion" is to shoot for 400hp.


Jeremy

Hi Rolly

Few people have the experance that you do on older type steam engines. I would bet that they are all made of iron. That is OK for what you are doing, however that is not what we are doing. We have to have high temperatures to get high efficencys. I brought the first MK 2 to a saca meet a couple of years ago I am sorry that you missed it. It was full condencing and water lubracated and works well. Well now you know some steam guys that run with out oil and for several years. We know how to do it. The MK2 has had 25 dyno runs. In 5 years of testing the only failures is when there is on water. Boat prop shafts have been lubed with water for a hundred years.
Harry

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